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Multivariate model



Dear ASReml-users,

For my internship at breeding cooperative Genex/CRI, Ithaca, New York as a 
student of the Animal Breeding and Genetics group, Wageningen Agricultural 
University, I am using ASReml to calculate BLUB EBVs for sires, using a sire 
model.

I'm not sure if I should send this message to the discussion group, but this 
is my 'last hope'.

The difficulty is that there are 15 linear conformation traits who need to 
be analysed (as dependent variates).

I'd like to run all these 15 traits at once in one model, so I can include 
the cov. matrix (15 x 15) for those 15 traits. That should be the most 
accurate estimate, because you take genetic and error covariances into 
account. But probably because the model becomes so big, that the model only 
runs for a few traits (<15) in the model.

So my questions are:

1- a)Do you think, looking at my model (see below), that ASReml really isn't 
able to run this, or should I change something in order to get the program 
running?
(Memory: 4340K (1912K) real, 12908K (8780K) virtual, 371960K free)

b)Could I possibly run the program in pieces? (but still considering the 
cov's?)

Everything that concerns question 1 is listed below (all the runs concern 
the traits, classified within the MAP-program):

This is the .as file:
Mapscores
ROWNUMBER 12065 !I
MAPST 50 !I
MAPCW 48 !I
MAPBD 50 !I
MAPDF 49 !I
MAPRS 50 !I
MAPRW 48 !I
MAPLS 50 !I
MAPFA 50 !I
MAPFU 50 !I
MAPUH 50 !I
MAPUW 49 !I
MAPUC 50 !I
MAPUD 50 !I
MAPTP 50 !I
MAPRL 50 !I
SREG 1894 !I
MAPDIM2 59 !I
MAPAGE2 33 !I
MAPDATDHI 2585 !I
mappartcov.dat !skip 1 !BLUB 1
MAPST MAPCW MAPBD MAPDF MAPRS MAPRW MAPLS MAPFA MAPFU MAPUH MAPUW, MAPUC 
MAPUD MAPTP MAPTL MAPRL ~ Trait !r Tr.SREG !f Tr.MAPDIM2 Tr.MAPDATDHI
1 2 1
0 0 0
Trait 0 US 29.36 !+2
7.06 31.53
5.34 6.33 30.20
4.57 -2.04 9.45 32.00
1.97 1.29 2.15 0.19 38.67
7.65 8.40 4.60 -0.03 -2.32 31.93
1.33 -0.12 -1.76 -1.02 -2.14 3.19 46.58
1.76 2.58 1.08 -1.05 -4.14 3.41 7.85 58.77
1.18 1.07 0.93 -1.51 -4.59 -1.19 7.19 6.69 48.81
0.72 0.75 1.88 3.17 -4.05 3.06 4.78 1.49 5.70 44.46
3.74 3.26 2.03 3.72 -3.14 4.60 5.91 2.70 5.19 23.46 40.49
-0.36 -1.85 0.70 0.62 -2.45 1.33 2.67 0.02 6.20 8.67 5.88 36.42
1.72 -1.02 -3.77 -4.13 -3.40 1.81 2.70 2.52 10.07 0.25 -1.23 6.42 38.43
-0.18 -0.79 1.94 1.54 -2.93 0.02 4.48 0.97 9.36 8.26 7.28 20.43 8.03 49.77
-3.31 -3.71 2.32 4.63 1.24 -1.37 -9.00 -3.55 -0.56 0.21 -0.41 0.25 -2.12 
0.20
#estimated cov(r)
Tr.SREG
Trait 0 US 21.26 !+2
2.08 14.16
1.55 4.44 17.73
4.50 -4.76 9.13 13.05
1.81 -5.91 -4.78 0.32 19.05
1.70 4.92 2.68 -0.85 -1.17 11.22
1.95 5.31 2.82 1.02 -3.70 2.36 12.45
3.56 4.73 1.22 1.05 0.98 1.51 5.57 10.37
0 4.54 -1.50 -0.16 -2.34 -0.45 2.36 1.58 19.94
0.96 0.31 1.93 3.15 -0.73 0.56 3.67 3.08 7.98 17.29
-0.64 2.62 2.49 1.63 -1.82 3.49 3.56 2.13 6.83 12.43 12.09
1.42 0.33 -0.19 2.39 -0.38 -1.33 0.78 1.84 4.33 0.73 -0.46 19.39
6.60 1.02 -6.35 -1.26 1.18 -1.81 1.23 1.12 12.95 4.34 2.29 6.13 14.95
1.93 -0.31 -1.94 1.21 -0.18 -0.56 -1.33 1.08 5.60 1.39 -0.15 15.10 6.95 
17.49
0.49 -3.27 -0.67 1.24 0.57 -1.76 -2.60 -3.05 -1.41 -2.08 -2.47 0.35 -0.20 
1.10
#estimated cov(g)
SREG

- This .as file only runs with a model including only two traits.
- When I remove 'Tr.mapdatdhi' from the model, it runs untill MAPLS          
               (7 traits).
- When I run the full model with a small dataset (118 records, so also less 
levels for 'Tr.mapdatdhi'), it runs untill MAPUW (11 traits).

The data (sample of 10 records):

ROWNUMBER MAPST MAPCW MAPBD MAPDF MAPRS MAPRW MAPLS MAPFA MAPFU MAPUH MAPUW 
MAPUC MAPUD MAPTP MAPTL SREG MAPDIM2 MAPAGE2 MAPDATDHI
1 23 21 29 22 23 20 27 34 46 10 23 18 10 4 29 2079212 54 36 019441710100
2 48 15 37 28 34 26 20 25 29 33 29 42 37 28 25 2062335 23 37 059342220099
3 28 30 24 26 25 27 21 23 31 23 25 27 27 29 25 2139811 27 35 069535080206
4 28 36 34 29 20 26 24 23 23 20 20 26 24 26 23 2187617 39 35 049741200006
5 15 26 15 20 15 26 20 1 29 15 5 20 21 36 20 2109915 51 34 029935480077
6 36 38 36 35 19 36 36 19 39 35 26 39 44 46 8 2227548 53 35 099841251149
7 35 35 20 20 30 34 35 18 28 35 30 35 35 25 25 2030882 49 38 099841251149
8 20 26 38 39 20 21 35 5 20 26 28 32 20 35 29 2140608 39 32 029935480077
9 21 26 28 34 20 26 35 26 29 24 26 30 26 24 25 2113769 28 35 029935480077
10 26 25 24 26 10 12 10 5 26 26 29 35 30 39 20 1983348 29 33 029935480077

The .asr file:
ASREML [11 Jun 1999]  Mapscores
Wed Jul  7 21:44:20 1999   8.00 Mbyte    mapcov
QUALIFIERS: !skip 1 !BLUB 1
  Reading mappartcov.dat  FREE FORMAT skipping  1  lines
Multivariate analysis of MAPST          MAPCW          MAPBD          MAPDF
Multivariate analysis of MAPRS          MAPRW          MAPLS          MAPFA
Multivariate analysis of MAPFU          MAPUH          MAPUW
Using    12033 records [of   12033 read from   12033 lines of mappartcov.dat
  Model term      Size Type    COL   Minimum    Mean      Maximum   #zero 
#miss
   1 ROWNUMBER   12065 Factor    1      1  6016.7407      12033         0    
  0
   2 MAPST          50 Factor    2      1    15.3311         50         0    
  0
   3 MAPCW          48 Factor    3      1    14.7617         48         0    
  0
   4 MAPBD          50 Factor    4      1    13.2037         50         0    
  0
   5 MAPDF          49 Factor    5      1    13.2500         49         0    
  0
   6 MAPRS          50 Factor    6      1    15.5018         50         0    
  0
   7 MAPRW          48 Factor    7      1    13.5634         48         0    
  0
   8 MAPLS          50 Factor    8      1    16.4313         50         0    
  0
   9 MAPFA          50 Factor    9      1    18.2212         50         0    
  0
  10 MAPFU          50 Factor   10      1    19.0431         50         0    
  0
  11 MAPUH          50 Factor   11      1    16.1458         50         0    
  0
  12 MAPUW          49 Factor   12      1    13.8535         49         0    
  0
  13 MAPUC          50 Factor   13      1    17.0631         50         0    
  0
  14 MAPUD          50 Factor   14      1    15.2528         50         0    
  0
  15 MAPTP          50 Factor   15      1    16.4646         50         0    
  0
  16 MAPRL          50 Factor   16      1    14.3130         50         0    
  0
  17 SREG         1894 Factor   17      1   450.3372       1890         0    
  0
  18 MAPDIM2        59 Factor   18      1    28.7691         59         0    
  0
  19 MAPAGE2        33 Factor   19      1     9.7685         33         0    
  0
  20 MAPDATDHI    2585 Factor   20      1  1246.9348       2585         0    
  0
  21 Trait          11 Traits/Variat
  22 Tr.SREG     20834 Interaction 21 Trait   :   11   17 SREG           : 
1894
  23 Tr.MAPDIM2    649 Interaction 21 Trait   :   11   18 MAPDIM2        :   
59
  24 Tr.MAPAGE2    363 Interaction 21 Trait   :   11   19 MAPAGE2        :   
33
  25 Tr.MAPDATDHI28435 Interaction 21 Trait   :   11   20 MAPDATDHI      : 
2585
Fault130665 Out of memory: forming design
mapcov.asr                             mappartcov.dat
  Model specification:  TERM LEVELS GAMMAS
Trait          11    0.00 Tr.SREG     20834    0.10 Tr.MAPDIM2    649    
0.00
Tr.MAPAGE2    363    0.00 Tr.MAPDATDHI28435    0.00
SECTIONS       0       0       0
    TYPE       0********       0********       0
   25 factors define [max 500].
4440 variance parameters [max 550].   2 special structures
Final parameter values                       0.10000     0.0000     0.0000
   0.0000     0.0000     0.0000     0.0000     0.0000     0.0000     0.0000